Author: jevlir

  • The God-Talk Club and Merry Christmas

    Christmas in the post-War United States
    Image via Wikipedia

    *Jerry joined the group last, looked straight at Bob and said “Merry Christmas!” Not only did he say it, but he said it cheerfully and with attitude.

    “I see you enjoy annoying me,” muttered Bob.

    “I thought you’d be offended,” said Jerry. “Isn’t that the normal atheist response to a simple greeting?”

    “It doesn’t bother me at all,” said Mac. “Sorry to disappoint you.”

    “Well, it does bother me,” said Bob. “I wouldn’t say it offends me. But it annoys me that Christians don’t acknowledge that there are people who aren’t buying into their holiday.”

    “Don’t you even exchange presents?” asked Mark.

    “Only as much as I’m forced to by the season. I’d rather just deal with birthdays and more secular or political holidays. I’d go with 4th of July presents, for example, or maybe Constitution Day presents. Those would be good.”

    “Bah humbug!” said Mac. Mandy laughed.

    “I’d think you, of all people, would understand,” said Bob.

    “Oh, I understand in a way. It’s just that I don’t feel the need to fight a major cultural event. Christmas is no more religious than New Year’s Day to most people. Even the Christians who celebrate it don’t really get that religious. A Christmas Eve service or Christmas Mass, but the rest is about family, money, and gifts.”

    “But what if someone starts pushing the religious stuff at you?” asked Bob.

    “Well,” said Mac and paused. “I’m trying to figure out how that would be any different from someone pushing religious stuff at you any other time of the year.”

    “But during the Christmas season it’s everywhere. Bell ringers, Christmas parties, church services, and everybody wondering whether you’re going or not.”

    “I don’t see how you’re forced to get involved in any of that,” said Mandy.

    “It’s the constant bother. I can’t go through a day without having someone come at me with their religion.”

    “What I find offensive is that everyone at stores and in public offices wishes me Happy Holidays. The big holiday is Christmas. Why can’t they say it?”

    “But what about Hanukkah or Kwanzaa? Don’t you think they deserve mention?” asked Mark.

    “I have no problem with them being mentioned,” said Jerry. “But I still think the big holiday is Christmas. I know it’s not a popular position, but we are a Christian nation.”

    “Except where we’re not,” said Mandy.

    “What do you mean?” asked Jerry.

    “I really don’t see that much ‘Christian’ about our nation,” said Mandy. “I don’t mean separation of church and state stuff. I’m not talking about politics. But what does a motto like ‘In God We Trust’ mean when we pretty much don’t trust in God? What’s ‘one nation under God’ when we really don’t look to God in any of our decisions. I don’t see anything in our official documents or in the way that we live that makes us a Christian nation.”

    “But we should be,” said Justine.

    “Why?” asked Mark.

    “You’re studying for the ministry,” said Justine. “Don’t you think it’s good for people to accept Jesus, put their trust in God, and be under God?”

    “I think those are good things, but I have a hard time seeing why they should be part of our country’s laws. That seems to be trying to force people to be religious.”

    “Or spiritual,” said Mandy.

    “So not only do you want to wish me Merry Christmas, Justine, you want to force me to believe as you do,” said Bob.

    “No, I wouldn’t force you to believe, but I would require you to show respect, and I would require moral behavior. The Bible says that God blesses those nations that obey him.”

    “I think that’s misapplying God’s promises to Israel–a theocracy–to another nation,” said Mandy. “There’s no reason to see America as specifically chosen by God.”

    “You know,” said Mac, “this is a bit off the topic we started with. Jerry, apart from wanting to turn us into a theocracy …”

    “That’s not true!” said Jerry interrupting.

    “… Why do you want to offend people like Bob? What would it hurt you to say ‘Happy Holidays’ to people who don’t believe in your religion?”

    “Because it is my religion! I don’t see why I should have to pretend otherwise.”

    “But I wouldn’t think you weren’t a Christian if you wished me Happy Holidays,” said Bob. “I’d just think you were polite!”

    “It doesn’t seem polite to me,” said Bob. “It seems weak. It seems like we’re afraid of our differences so we have to conceal them.”

    “That’s probably the one good argument I’ve heard,” said Mandy. “But I still don’t agree. I think we acknowledge that there are differences, and that it’s OK.”

    “But I don’t think differences are OK. I think Jesus is the savior of the World and only those who believe in him will be in heaven. The rest will go to hell, and that’s not OK!” Jerry was vehement. “I want nothing to do with religious pluralism.”

    “I’m not talking about religious pluralism. I’m talking about courtesy,” said Mandy. “I also expect we’ll have differences as long as there are humans on earth. I’m willing to live with that. I see no point in trying to force people, and until we can be 100% certain we’re right, I think we should celebrate differences.”

    Bob, Mac, and Mark applauded. Justine looked thoughtful. It was Bob that broke up the discussion.

    “I’m afraid, folks, that I must go,” he said. “I have to attend a holiday party.”

    That gave everyone a good parting laugh.

    *This is a work of fiction. All persons, places, and events are products of my imagination. It’s part of the God-Talk Club series. Copyright © 2010, Henry E. Neufeld.

    Enhanced by Zemanta
  • Tlisli – Ambushed!

    *It was nearly a week after her first lesson with the sword, and if Tlisli had only had a mirror, she would hardly have recognized herself. Many days of travel with Azzesh had already strengthened her body, not to mention toughening her mind. She didn’t even notice things that would have had her crying only weeks ago back home.

    They followed the river closely, and progress was slow, because the jungle was thick. In addition, Azzesh stopped frequently to collect various plants which she added to her already rather heavy pack. Even though Tlisli knew that Tlazil were much stronger than humans, she was shocked at the load that Azzesh could carry.

    The day was generally normal, though Azzesh had mentioned to Tlisli that they were within a few days of the city. “If we pressed on quickly,” she said, “we would reach the city in about four days. As it is, it will probably be more like five or six. We must watch carefully now as we travel.”

    “Why must we be more careful? Don’t things get safer as we come closer to the city?”

    Azzesh laughed. “Not precisely, small human. When we were far away there were many dangers, but they were far apart. If bandits want to rob travelers, they are going to stay a couple of days away from the city to avoid the guard patrols, but then they won’t go more than a couple of days travel further out because they need to have targets to attack. Further out in the jungle the targets are too few and far between. Bandits don’t enjoy having to hunt for their dinner, indeed they don’t!”

    So Tlisli watched closely as they walked. Azzesh liked to stay where they could see the river from time to time, but where they also had plenty of cover in case someone (or something) on the river should decide they looked like lunch. “Just as I could eat you for my lunch, so there are other creatures who might eat me,” was Azzesh’s comment. “That’s not to mention groups of smaller creatures who might do the same!”

    So when Tlisli thought she heard something that sounded suspiciously like oars dipping in the water and human speech from the river, she quickly hissed a warning to Tlisli, before dropping behind the nearest cover. “It’s always best to get a look at them first,” Azzesh always said.

    Azzesh was actually reaching to push her down, and was pleasantly surprised to realize that Tlisli was already on the ground. The problem was that she had been closer to the river than Tlisli at the time, and she was almost certain that the men in the boat had seen her. Had she just been paying more attention to the river, and less to her effort to catch a rather rare Xiril snake, from which she hoped to milk some venom, she would have seen it earlier. She would never admit to Tlisli that the girl had actually noticed the danger first.

    She motioned to Tlisli to crawl away from the river. They both did so until they were perhaps a hundred feet away.

    “Are they bandits?” asked Tlisli.

    “No, unfortunately.”

    “Unfortunately?”

    “They are much worse. I suspect you would recognize the yellow sun, surrounded by rays, on a black background.”

    It took a moment. Tlisli had practically forgotten the folks who had driven her from her home city. “They can’t be chasing me, can they?”

    Azzesh was momentarily stunned into silence. “And to think I thought I had educated you. Oh how vain are my pretensions to being a teacher! Of course they aren’t chasing you! But we are probably a hundred kilometers closer to the Grand Empire than you were when you left your home city. I had not expected them this close, but I imagine these are scouting ways to cut Tevelin off from its trade routes.” Tevelin was the port city they were approaching.

    “So what do we do now?”

    “Do? We continue northward to the coast and to Tevelin. I think they saw me, and likely you as well, and so they may try to catch us. If so, they’re going to do so further north. I know their boat continued downstream.”

    “Isn’t it possible they just decided to go on?”

    “I’m sure they hope we think so, and knowing that the boat will travel faster than we can walk, they hope we’ll think they are no longer a threat. But I suspect they want to capture us.”

    “So what do we do?”

    “We try to avoid them, but if all else fails, you will get to see how Azzesh fights, and you will get to try your sword in actual combat. I assume you don’t want to be captured by the Grand-Emperor’s forces, do you?”

    “No!” said Tlisli.

    “I will lead,” said Azzesh, “since unfortunately I cannot be  both advance and rear guard. I’m going to assume we’ll spot them first. If they come from behind, you need to move first to get behind a tree, and make sure to yell immediately when they have seen you. You carry a bow with one arrow easily available, just as when you hunt, but you only use that one arrow, then draw your sword. In this jungle, our fight will not be at long range.”

    “OK,” said Tlisli nervously. The thought of actually fighting still terrified her, even though she knew her skill with the bow was almost unimaginably improved over what it had been just a few short weeks ago.

    As it turned out, Azzesh was wrong. The scouting troops of the Grand-Emperor were very skilled at sneaking, and they let Azzesh move right past the first of the ambush. She didn’t notice a thing. In order to keep her from noticing, however, they had to stay somewhat back from the path she was following, so when they moved out to cut Tlisli off, they had several meters of jungle to cross.

    Tlisli was tense and alert, and heard them approaching almost instantly. With a loud shout, she turned, and drew her bow and loosed the arrow at an attacker to her right. A yelp and a crash let of her know that she had hit something. She had no time to decide whether she had stopped or merely inconvenienced that attacker. There was a second warrior coming from her left.

    Tlisli had never been very big on obedience, and on this occasion it was a good thing. Seeing the distance between her and this second attacking warrior, she grabbed another arrow, drew her bow and loosed the second arrow. This time he was coming straight at her, there was no foliage in the way, and the arrow went straight to his heart.

    It was fortunate for Tlisli that the Grand-Emperor’s scouts tended to wear little armor in the jungle. Her arrow went straight to his heart, and she saw him fall. At the same time, she could hear from the other direction that the other attacker had in fact not been killed or incapacitated by her first shot, and he was coming right at her with a short spear. She barely had time to dodge neatly avoiding the spear point and buying herself time to draw her sword.

    While on that first pass he had been so sure he was going to hit her before she realized he was there, as he turned, he was much more careful, feinting with his spear to try to get her off-guard. She had gone immediately into the defensive stance that was so necessary in practicing with Azzesh, and she now realized it’s value.

    He stabbed at a point to her left, and she simply moved her sword inside to protect her torso. It was a good thing, because that was where he moved immediately afterward. Had she parried the mis-aimed blow, she would have been out of position, and he could have stabbed her right in the chest. As it was she parried his next attack with her sword, and took advantage of the time his spear was out of position from her parry to step in closer.

    It was the last thing he was expecting. There was nothing deeper in the mind of a Grand Empire soldier than disdain for women. To him, Tlisli was just a girl. She might wiggle out of his reach, but she would not be a direct threat.

    He was wrong. As she stepped forward and stabbed his gut with her sword, he had only a moment to realize it. She withdrew the sword and struck again, then checked to be sure her other opponent was still down.

    She had been hearing sounds of fighting, about where Azzesh would have been, and she guessed that she had been subject to the smaller attack, probably because the attackers underestimated her so much. These two warriors were to separate her from Azzesh, while presumably the larger force attacked the larger target.

    Despite the short distance between them–less than five meters–there was a tree between her and Azzesh. She came around that tree with her sword at the ready, and saw Azzesh lying prone a large human standing over her, preparing to stab his spear into her. There were already three bodies on the ground, testimony to the speed and thoroughness of the Tlazil’s attacks. Yet she was bleeding, on the ground, and helpless.

    Without thinking, Tlisli charged forward. The warrior jumped back, leaving Azzesh lying between them. Then he made his big mistake.

    “Give it up, girl!” he said. “There’s no way you can defeat me. Your Tlazil master is dying and can’t save you. In fact,” he twitched his spear point back and forth carelessly, “I won’t kill you. The men of my patrol need some entertainment, and though ugly, you will doubtless be adequate.”

    Tlisli didn’t pay attention to the speech. She watched his spear twitch back and forth. He began to criticize her sword stance, pointing out that in that position, she would be best able to go for one of his toes. Tlisli remained quiet and just watched. Hours of being insulted by Azzesh had inured her to the sound of such criticism.

    Suddenly he lunged forward, and swung his spear at her like a stick, aiming to hit her in the side and knock her over. That was Azzesh’s favorite punishment for inattentiveness during training, and this warrior wasn’t as good at it as was the Tlazil. As he swung she carefully angled her sword to catch the haft of the spear at just the right angle, and cut it nearly through. What was left was no longer functional as a spear.

    He had his moment of surprise, and found himself too far forward. She got in one swing with her sword before he drew a long knife from his belt, but she only managed a cut–nothing disabling. Then he let out a war cry and turned to flee. Tlisli guessed he was calling to the remainder of the soldiers at the boat, and planning to to get them and return.

    But now he learned the error of his ways. He had assumed that Azzesh was dying, too far gone even to employ any form of healing herbs or magic. But he was wrong. He had given her long enough to find and use a healing amulet. She was still not at full strength, but she was far from dying. As he turned to flee, she brought up her sword and very nearly cut him in two.

    “Quick!” she said to Tlisli. “Get behind the crotch in that tree. His companions will be here in minutes. Keep an eye out for them trying to slip around, but I think they will abandon subtlety and come straight at us. We will gain the advantage with our arrows. I’ll check that these others are dead, though I believe they are.”

    “How many do you think there are?”

    “I would say about the same number again as we have already killed, but the advantage will be ours.”

    And so it proved. In fact, there were only four more warriors who came to investigate, and they should not have done so. They came carefully, but were unprepared for what they found. When the first two in site sprouted arrows, all fled, but only three were left to run back to the river.

    With a glance around at the bodies on the ground, Azzesh charged after them, and Tlisli followed. It was less than 40 meters to the river’s edge, where the boat was tied to a tree. The three fleeing warriors jumped into the boat while the one remaining warrior who was waiting there cut the rope with his knife. As he pushed away, both Azzesh and Tlisli loosed arrows. Then as Tlisli grabbed another arrow, Azzesh jumped into the water and grabbed the side of the boat. Her weight was substantial and the boat capsized, throwing the remaining warriors into the river where they were at a serious disadvantage over the amphibious Tlazil.

    Then all that was left was to collect the spoils of battle …

    [Previous episode]  [Next episode]


    * This is obviously a work of fiction. All places, persons, and even things are products of my imagination. Part of the Tlisli Series. Copyright © 2010 Henry E. Neufeld

  • About Those Small Town Values

    *The group was solemn, though they were gathered in a decorated living room on Christmas afternoon. It remained solemn even though everyone had a drink in hand and there was plenty of food. It was the sort of picture Norman Rockwell might have painted. He would have put smiles on their faces and portrayed a wondrously wholesome gathering, such as one expects in small town America over the Christmas holidays.

    It was the home of Arthur and Thelma Johnson, and their 26-year-old daughter Mary (Mary Elizabeth when you were serious) was home from her big city job, with her big city boy friend in tow.  If one were to look closely, one would notice that Mary was the center of attention, and that her fiance was absent.  Mark had discovered a department store in a town a mere 45 minutes drive away that was open Christmas day and was planning to “pick up a couple of things.”

    “Where’s your young man, Mary Elizabeth?” asked Thelma.

    “He went to town to pick up a few needed items.” Everyone knew where “town” was. They didn’t have to specify it by name.

    “Don’t you think that’s a little thoughtless of him? It’s Christmas day! It’s time for family.” Thelma kept her voice quiet, giving an impression of entreaty rather than condemnation.

    Mary didn’t think it was thoughtless at all. She thought that Mark had plenty of excuses to get out of the way right now, starting with being called her “young man.” Mark was 32, and the six year difference in their ages had been subtly emphasized. Nobody said “cradle robber.”  How could they? They just took note of his age. But it wasn’t any of those good reasons that had sent Mark to the department store, searching for items she was pretty sure he didn’t need. It was his sensitivity to her feelings, one of the things that had attracted her to him in the first place. He knew she’d rather handle this without him, so he made himself scarce.

    In fact, the very idea that he would avoid an uncomfortable situation made her smile. Mark was mild-mannered, but it was deceptive. What made him a good attorney, already a partner in his firm with seniority well beyond his years, was that he could read people with uncanny accuracy, and that nothing phased him or made him panic. He chose his battles and chose them well. In this case, he knew his fiance would want to speak for herself, and so he arranged not to be in the way.

    “Why are you smiling?” asked Thelma. “Did I say something funny?”

    “You did, Mom, but you wouldn’t get it.”

    “I wish you wouldn’t patronize me, Mary Elizabeth. I’m smarter than you think.”

    “OK then Mom, in that case, why do you despise Mark? You hardly know him.”

    “I’m a good judge of character,” said Thelma.

    “That she is,” said Pastor Sollaway, “Pastor Mike” to his flock. “At church we always know to listen to Miss Thelma when people are involved!”

    “Thank you, pastor,” said Thelma, glowing just a bit. Then she turned back to her daughter. “Mark is a big-city boy,” she continued. “And I don’t mean just that he grew up in New York City. I mean he’s big city through and through. He’s not at all the type of young man I’d hoped my Mary Elizabeth, my only daughter, would bring home one day.” There was a slight emphasis on the “young man” again, emphasizing her mother’s belief that they should be closer in age.

    Mary remembered the day she had come home from college to visit.  She had been 21 years old, and her mother had set her up with a date with Bill Weisser, 30 at the time. It wasn’t the age. That was just a handle her mother had grabbed onto.

    “And what is it about him that makes him inappropriate for your daughter?” asked Mary.

    Thelma seemed at a loss. “But honey, he’s a big city lawyer!” she exclaimed.

    “And that’s really your whole objection, isn’t it?”

    “Mary,” said Pastor Mike. “It’s just a label for what your mother feels deep inside her about his young man. It’s the package. She knows he’s not the right type of man for you.”

    “So why is that, Pastor Mike?”

    “Well, I don’t think he’s really a Christian. I asked him if he thought the Bible was true, and he gave me a lawyer’s answer about different ways something could be true.” He paused. “Tell me, Mary, how often are you attending church these days?”

    “Oh, I probably make it once a month or so,” said Mary.

    “You see! It’s his unbelieving influence on you. You’re no longer living up to the values you learned here in your home town.”

    Mary was rather stunned by this for a moment, but then she realized that she had never told them about church in the “big city.” She’d lied during college. She’d attended a little church near campus once in four years of college, and had used that one time to help her make up stories of all the other services she wanted to pretend she’d attended. She hadn’t attended at all in graduate school, and hadn’t known where the nearest church was to where she lived in New York. Until Mark, that is.

    Is this what being a good judge of character means? she thought. Mark was a member of a small Episcopal church some miles from his apartment. One of the things she had to get used to when they started going out was that this smart, worldly-wise attorney, who could handle himself as well at a cocktail party as in a courtroom, nonetheless went to church regularly.

    She recalled a day when he was rushed with preparations for a difficult case in court. As usual, he was calm and collected, but he was working rapidly. She was sitting on his couch watching him and the TV in about equal proportions when suddenly he got up from the table, told her he needed to go down to the church. This wasn’t his home church, but a larger one nearer to his apartment. She went with him. It was a tiny service, with just the minister and half a dozen people, offering the Eucharist.  “Eucharist.”  That was a word she had learned that evening. Mark told her he never went into an important case or a meeting without it. She hadn’t understood then. She didn’t understand now. But she was beginning to. But how could you explain that to Pastor Mike?

    “Do you have any idea how often Mark attends church?” she asked.

    “Well, it can’t be very often,” answered Thelma and Pastor Mike together.

    “He didn’t even know any of the songs we sang when he came to church with you last Sunday.” That was Thelma’s comment. She could always tell who was really singing and who was faking it.

    “And that’s where you’re wrong. No, I don’t mean wrong about the songs. He didn’t know them. I didn’t either, but you didn’t mention that. You see, up until I met Mark I hadn’t been in church for nearly eight years.”

    “But, you told us …” Thelma’s mouth was hanging open.

    “I lied,” said Mary. She didn’t really feel sorry either. She knew she should, but she didn’t.

    “I just thought your church used different songs than we do. Not everyone is as progressive about the worship service as Pastor Mike.”

    Everyone in the room was startled by another voice. Arthur Johnson spoke so rarely that not everyone was sure just what his voice sounded like. “You said, ‘until I met Mark.’ What happened then?”

    “Well, Daddy, Mark goes to church more than once a week. He never insisted I go, but he would never skip it in order to do something with me. He often attends services in the evening during the week as well. He says it helps keep him centered.”

    “Missed that, didn’t you Thelma,” said Arthur, and then lapsed into silence.

    “But what church does he attend?” asked Thelma.

    “Does it matter?”

    “Yes! Some of these churches teach any old thing. They don’t have any values at all. If they did, they’d tell you two not to be sleeping together before you’re married. Oh now, don’t give me that shocked look, Mary Elizabeth! I can recognize lust in the eyes when I see it, and the two of you both have lust in your eyes. Never mind you’re sleeping in two separate bedrooms during your visit. I know you did that just because you knew that your father and I wouldn’t have it any other way.”

    Mary was momentarily stunned. It had not occurred to her that her mother would assume they were sleeping together. She had assumed, when she started dating a dazzling attorney on the rise, that she would be expected to sleep with him. She’d fallen for him the first date, and would have done it too, she knew. But he didn’t ask. What he did was rush the engagement and the marriage, which was scheduled in a mere two weeks. Both the short courtship and engagement and the fact that they planned a non-traditional wedding in New York, rather than a more traditional one in her home town, were major bones of contention. She was surprised her mother hadn’t brought those up.

    “Is he Episcopalian?” asked Pastor Mike.

    Again, Mary was surprised. She’d assumed because the wedding was to be in Mark’s home church, an Episcopal congregation, that everyone had realized that was where he was a member. It was her small town upbringing, she supposed. Of course, big city folks often rented churches in which to hold weddings, and her parents and friends would believe that was the case.

    “Yes,” she said simply.

    “Well, then, no wonder he hasn’t been taught any moral values. They even ordained a homosexual bishop!”

    “Pastor Mike, you’re assuming an awful lot.”

    “Well, are you sleeping together? Did the church pastor tell you it was a sin?” In fact, they weren’t, and their pastor had told them precisely that. But for some reason she didn’t tell him. The question seemed to break something in her.

    “Is it your opinion that people in this little town don’t sleep together outside of marriage?”

    “We believe it’s a sin. We don’t condone it.” Pastor Mike’s tone was firm. Thelma looked too stunned to speak. Mary found she approved of that state.

    “That’s interesting,” Mary continued. “I know the names of two elders in your church, Pastor Mike, who have committed adultery on a regular basis, and nothing has been done about it. Is that your small town values? Even more, I know of several members of families represented right here in this room who had sex before marriage. I’m not going to name names on the off-chance that someone in the room might not be aware of the situation.” She used “have sex” rather than the preferred “sleep together.” Truth be told, she had almost used the f-word.

    The room fell into stunned silence. “And as for homosexuality, you do realize that the Eller brothers are not, in fact, brothers, and they both sing in the choir. Oh yes, I know that, and I know you know that, but you won’t name it.”

    “That’s not fair,” said Pastor Mike.

    “Not fair? Why is it not fair? Is it because all those people are small town people you’ve known all your lives? Yet Mark, who you can’t really accuse of doing one single wrong thing, is to be condemned?”

    Pastor Mike had his mouth open again. But the accusations–he did know precisely who the adulterous elders were, and he knew the Eller brothers weren’t–simply left him speechless. How did she know? While he was looking for words, she continued.

    “Oh, I know this sounds unfair. There are a lot of good people in this town. In your heart, Pastor Mike, you really just want to care for people. You don’t know how to pastor the Eller brothers, so you ignore the situation, and maybe that’s the best situation. I have less understanding of church elders who commit adultery, but then perhaps you don’t have the power to do anything about it. They are, after all, the church’s biggest contributors.

    “I left this town intending to come back. Small town values are wonderful. I wish you’d live up to them. I wish I would live up to them. But there are also lots of big city folks who have values.

    “Pastor Mike, you probably thought I never listened in those Bible classes you taught, but I do remember that somewhere in James it says that there is only one lawgiver and only one judge. You have set yourselves up as a judge over my fiance from the moment he came to town. You’ve put him down in small ways, and now you’ve falsely accused him.

    “Perhaps, Pastor Mike, you need to work on those values of yours if they keep you from serving the people you’re supposed to serve, and find you judging others when you don’t know their circumstances.”

    As Mary stood up, and strode out of the room, she heard the startled “Mary Elizabeth …” from her mother, but this time it didn’t stop her. She’d have to reconcile with her parents after that. Mark would tell her it was necessary. He’d say they were family, and you had to put up with them, though you didn’t have to let them run your life. But that would be for later.

    Just now she’d had enough of small town values.


    * This is a work of fiction. All persons and places (except New York City!) are products of the author’s imagination. Copyright © 2010, Henry E. Neufeld

  • Special Offer: Tales from Jevlir

    From now through the end of the year, I’m offering autographed copies (if you wish) of the book Tales from Jevlir for just $5.00 shipped.  That’s right!  Just $5, + sales tax if you live in Florida.  No other charges.  If you fill in the line about the autograph, letting me know who to autograph the book to, I’ll do it!

     

     

    Autograph


  • The God Talk Club Defines Cult – II

    [Continued from The God Talk Club Defines Cult – I]

    “I think if I was setting out on a journey of any kind I’d want to know precisely where I’m going,” said Bob.

    “I agree!” said Jerry.  “That’s why orthodoxy is so important.”

    “But you really can’t agree on what’s ‘orthodox’, can you?”

    “I think that the vast majority of Christians for the last 2,000 years have been able to define what orthodoxy is.  The Bible is God’s Word, the trinity, the virgin birth, the resurrection, salvation by faith, and so forth.”

    “But, …” Mandy said and then paused.  Then she resumed.  “I’m just wondering if you regard me as an ‘orthodox’ Christian by your definition.”

    “Well, so far as I know, you are.  I have some problems with the way you understand righteousness by faith, and I think your view of scripture is a bit weak, but it generally falls within the boundaries of orthodoxy.”

    “But you just mentioned the virgin birth.  I consider the virgin birth metaphorical rather than a genuine, physical miracle.  I suspect it was an explanation for the questions about Jesus’ ancestry while at the same time explaining his evident divinity.”

    Jerry had his mouth open, but Bob cut in, “Evident divinity?”

    “Yes,” said Mandy.  “I think the best explanation for the way people responded to Jesus was that he exhibited that divine authority to those who were perceptive, even when he might not have looked like much to physical sight.”

    “Oh,” said Bob.

    “But aren’t you calling the gospel writers liars?” asked Jerry.

    “I don’t think so.  I think they used the best explanations they had.  Mark and John were happy with the baptism, but others wanted more.  But that’s not really why I brought the topic up.  I don’t accept the virgin birth as a physical, historical realty.  Am I now a cultist?”

    Jerry was stunned for a minute.  First, he wanted to convince Bob that there was one way of salvation, and one Christianity which he needed to accept or reject.  Now one of the Christians in the group was denying what he felt was essential.  Was it a moment to de-emphasize the differences, or did he need to stand up and be counted?  He really wished Mandy had not brought the topic up.

    Of course, the decision wasn’t really all that difficult.  Jerry couldn’t really pretend very well in any case, and he didn’t think it would be right.  “On that point you’re not orthodox,” he said slowly.  “And I do consider it an essential point.  I’m not trying to judge your salvation, but you’re denying what I consider an essential pillar of Christianity, and in effect you’re calling God a liar.”

    “Calling God a liar?” asked Bob and Mac together.

    “Yes,” said Mandy before Jerry could reply.  “With Jerry’s view of Biblical inspiration he could hardly say otherwise.  I’ve said that certain Bible writers claimed something happened, but it didn’t.  I see the Bible as people’s experience with God.  Jerry sees it as God’s infallible, inerrant Word.”

    “But doesn’t it make you angry that he calls you unorthodox?  Isn’t that a bad thing amongst Christians?” asked Bob.

    “I’m sure some people get angry about such things, but I know what Jerry believes, and I know I disagree, so I would be more disturbed if he pretended he believed something he didn’t.  But Jerry,” she said, turning back to him, “I’m wondering whether you really regard me as a sister in Christ or not.  Am I a cultist?”

    “As far as I know,” Jerry responded slowly again, “you have accepted Jesus Christ as your savior and depend on him for your salvation.  Your beliefs, especially your comments on the virgin birth and by implication about scripture, are wrong and extremely dangerous.  As to whether you’re a cultist or not, I can only hope that your beliefs are not the norm in your church.  I know you claim to accept the creed–‘born of the virgin Mary’–and I hope your church really does and thus I can call it orthodox.”

    “So it’s possible that any Christian denomination might not be ‘orthodox’ then, and not just the Latter Day Saints,” said Mandy.

    “I think Christianity is defined by the historical doctrines that have been held universally by the church.”  Jerry’s voice was now very firm.

    “So what about Justine’s church?” asked Mandy.  “I know you and she disagree on a number of doctrinal points.  They do all that tongue-speaking stuff, which you don’t.  You don’t think women should be pastors and she is.”

    “I’m quite certain that Justine is completely orthodox.  We can debate more minor issues.  You believe in the virgin birth, don’t you?” Jerry addressed the last to Justine.

    “Yes I do.”  Justine had been quiet.  It had been a revelation to her that Mandy, who often defended her on other issues, quite casually denied what to her was unquestioned Christian doctrine.

    Mac wasn’t done yet.  “In that case you probably wouldn’t have trouble with Seventh-day Adventists either, would you?”

    “Well, I have some of the same problems with Adventists that I have with Mandy regarding salvation by faith.  They seem to be depending on their works.  They also seem to think they have an exclusive inside track.  So I have my doubts about them, but regarding the major doctrines in the Christian creeds, I think they’re orthodox.”

    “But you think some of their doctrines are dangerous as well,” said Bob.

    “Yes.”

    “This still just illustrates my point.  If I wanted to be a Christian, I’d have to figure out which one of your many groups, if any, has it right, and join that one.  I think that’s terribly confusing.  You don’t even agree on how one determines just what is right.  Mandy thinks it’s largely individual.  Ellen has modern, or sort of modern revelation.  You and Justine thinks it all comes from the Bible.  Oh, I forgot.  Justine also thinks there can be modern prophets who might give a message directly from God right in her church.”

    “It would have to agree with the Bible,” said Justine.

    Jerry nodded.

    “Well, all this leaves me thinking ‘Christianities’ not ‘Christianity’.”  I think you all ought to get your act together before you start converting other people!”

    “Do all atheists agree?” asked Jerry.

    “Point,” said Bob.  “But then I’m not trying to convert you to my religion.”

    “Really!” exclaimed Jerry, and everyone laughed.

    With that the group started break up.

  • Christian Carnival CCCXLIX

    Welcome to the October 13, 2010 edition of the Christian Carnival, #349.

    I usually try to do something special with the carnival, or at least to make more comments on each of the posts.  Yesterday, however, was a horribly interrupted day, and today is only slightly better, so rather than keeping everyone waiting, I’m going to post things mostly as they are.

    There were several submissions not included.  Most of these were due to date.  If the dates were a couple of days out of the time frame for the carnival I went ahead and included the post, but a number were weeks or months outside the time frame.  Remember, posts need to be within the week prior to the carnival.  Finally, while posts don’t need to be about explicitly Christian topics, the blog needs to be identified as Christian in some way.

    If your post wasn’t included, feel free to let me know in a comment.

    Philip Carlson gives us a blow-by-blow description and review of the HCSB Study Bible Review at his blog, Science and Theology in Apposition.

    Bob MacDonald presents a valuable resource for the study of the Psalms–links to all his notes from The Oxford Psalms Conference – in sequence posted at his blog Dust.

    Keith Tusing presents What’s the Big ORANGE Idea? posted at CM Buzz.  He’s talking about BHAG’s and thinking outside the box.  (You have to read his post to find out what a BHAG is, not to mention why the color “orange” is involved.

    Nap Beltran presents Breakfast Diaries By Barbra Winterbourne posted at Associated Content, telling the story of the Breakfast Diaries.  It has something to do with talking to God, or maybe more listening …

    Joe Plemon reminds us that “even a huge emergency fund is no guarantee of security in Does Financial Solvency Equal Security? and then asks us what is.

    jennkenn presents The Truth Shall Set You Free posted at beauty4ashesblog, and reminds us of the importance of knowing what our choices are.

    Aoide-Melete-Mneme presents The Extra-Parental Natures of God posted at à la mode de les Muses, saying, “At times God our Father takes on the roles of mother and father-in-law.”

    Andrew presents The calm before the storm. posted at Rely on God in your personal development. – New Blog.

    Bible SEO presents Salt of the Earth: Matthew 5:13-16 posted at Bible Study Exposition Online, saying, “Bible study lesson on Matthew 5:13-16. You are the Salt of the earth. Use of Salt in the Bible.”

    Marcia Colgar presents Top 25 Chaplain Bloggers posted at Online Christian Colleges, saying, “A chaplain is typically a pastor, priest, or other member of the clergy who serves a group of people who are unable to attend religious services for various reasons. In many cases, these chaplains often join the military to help the enlisted practice their faith while serving their country.”

    Scottyi presents Isn’t Christianity Just a Western Religion? posted at Sacred Raisin Cakes, saying, “How is Christianity intrinsically western, or how is Christianity growing beyond its western origins? The booming church in the Third World is creating one of the most exciting times in church history, ever.”

    Paige Carter presents Paigerific: I’m not a copy posted at Paigerific, reminding us that none of us are just copies.

    Diane R presents Scared…… posted at Crossroads: Where Faith and Inquiry Meet, saying, “Christians, including our Christian leaders, don’t seem to take the threat of Islam and sharia law coming here very seriously. Maybe they should.”

    Sarah Forte presents Sarah reads the Bible in 90 days posted at Sarah reads the Bible in 90 days.  This looks like an interesting journey!

    Laurie Coombs presents The Battle of Trust posted at In the Spirit of Courage.

    Carl presents BORG: Reading the Bible Again for the First Time, Response, Part 3 posted at Theological Pursuit, saying, “A continuing criticism of the popular book Reading the Bible Again for the First Time, by Marcus Borg; giving some thoughts on how we understand the bible.”

    Barry Wallace presents The Autumn Film ? A Sad Joy posted at who am i?, saying, “All my joys are tinged with sorrow, and all my sorrows tinged with joy.”

    Crystal Rodli presents Just another beetle story about listening to God. posted at In A Clay Pot, saying, “A tragic and humorous true story illustrating what can happen when we disregard ‘inner checks’.”

    Jeremy Pierce presents The Punishment Theodicy and the Patience Theodicy posted at Parableman, saying, “a reflection on two neglected responses to the problem of evil.”

    Dave Taylor presents http://disjournal.blogspot.com Taking a second look at the pearl of great value: Ministering in a poor economy (Part 8) at Disciple’s Journal. Will lots of people turn out to be “seed sown on rocky soil” if the economy doesn’t improve soon? Not necessarily. Thinking that way underestimates the redemptive power of the gospel. I know because of the way I learned to re-value the ‘pearl of great value’.

    Finally, I’ll add one post each from myself and my wife.  I’ve been writing very little, but I think I’ll link to Common Ground on Genesis, looking at some discussion of the issue of the age of the earth in my former denomination, the Seventh-day Adventist Church.  From my wife Jody, I present Beautiful Feet, talking about those messengers of good news that bring God’s encouragement to us.

    That concludes this edition. Submit your blog article to the next edition of christian carnival ii using our carnival submission form. Past posts and future hosts can be found on our blog carnival index page.

  • Christian Carnival CCCXLVIII Posted

    … at And She Went Out …. Next week (October 13), look for it right here at the Caravansary again.